Supernatural - 5x16 "Dark Side of the Moon" Rewatch
Added 2024-09-02 10:10:03 +0000 UTC
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Dabb could do a decent job in writing, but it was typically when he had a writing partner. Like with this episode.
Michele
2024-10-09 01:28:18 +0000 UTCI haven’t had time to watch the reaction yet, but on reading some of the comments, I decided to explained why it seems very clear to me that Sam and Dean are soulmates, sharing a heaven. Platonically. Dean couldn’t have found Sam AT ALL if they weren’t in the same heaven. All he had to do was follow the road to Sam, just like he followed the road between his own memories, and then they travelled the roads together through both of their memories. They couldn’t see both memories by following roads/paths if they were not sharing a heaven. They would have to do some sort of spell, use sigils like Ash did to go to each of their different memories if they had different heavens. They travel from a Sam memory to a Dean memory easily. Ash was needed to transport people between different heavens because he learned how to do it. He had to go get Pamela, she didn’t just wander into Ash's heaven alone. He had to do a little spell to get Sam and Dean into his heaven. He even says, there is Ash-land and Winchester-land. He doesn’t say Sam or Dean land. They share a "land." Also, he nods at them when he says soulmates and special cases share. Why even mention this at all if it wasn’t relevant to Sam and Dean? Sam and Dean do not "heaven-hop" without help. They are in the sane heaven, just in different memories to start. Sam senses Dean's soul as far back as Season 2. Dean also feels Sam before he hears or sees him in the finale. Platonic Soulmates.
Sare
2024-09-03 20:17:06 +0000 UTCI think I really do agree with you Shelly, to a point, about Point of No Return being the climax of the season for Dean, and Swan song being the climax for Sam. Both of these boys have been on the same kind of intertwined journey for the apocalypse, but they have been complete opposites. Since the Apocalypse began, which was the premiere of season 4, Dean spent all of season 4 rising for the heroes journey. He was Heaven's warrior, chosen by angels, sent to stop (seemingly) the release of Lucifer. His battles and tests were designed to build his faith, and he really was made out to be poised to become the ultimate hero, to sacrifice himself to Michael to save the world (which, arguably, is the most divine, good thing you could do, if the angels in this universe, and Chuck, honestly, weren't such evil dicks). Sam's arc in season 4, however, was his downfall. His fall from grace, into temptation and evil and power. His cravings for strength, for leadership, for being the "only hero" made him fall down the path to villainy. As Dean rose in the expected path of usual storytelling for the heroes journey, towards what we thought was ultimately going to be something good, Sam fell, as Lucifer did. And then, come season 5, we have Dean at the highest of highs, a step away from his destiny, and Sam, at his absolute lowest point, a step away from his destiny, at complete odds with each other. But they don't take those steps. Both of them hesitate. And then their stories change. Sam's rise to redemption begins, and Dean's fall starts. Because we start to learn the truth about the angels, and how far they are willing to go, what they are willing to do to win. We already learned through Sam what the demons are like, so there is nowhere for Sam to go but up. It's a long, difficult road, and he is hit a lot by his battles, by his family, his own kind, but Sam keeps fighting and keeps going to fix what he did. Dean on the other hand starts to lose that moral ground, and while he puts up a fight, everything just starts to drag him down, as the angels try to make him desperate enough to say yes. He saw his brother's slow fall, and he makes the same mistakes. The difference is, Sam now has the experience to see what is happening to Dean, and he can help Dean avoid the pitfalls he fell into. Dean isn't alone, the way Sam was when Ruby came into the picture (emotionally speaking), and Point of No Return is where that really hits home for Dean. His journey is about learning to trust and see his brother as an equal, a partner. Which is what he always wanted, but he blocked himself from seeing it, because of his protective instincts for Sam. When Dean sees how Sam treats him, and lets himself do the same, he can truly take care of himself, and put himself first. But Sam's climax needs to be so much stronger, so much more visual to us, because he went lower than Dean did. His fall was so much further, that we need a bigger rise to compensate. And I love that so much for them because it has always been that way. Sam's hero journey is grand. Epic. Big scale. He is about saving the entire world. Dean's hero journey is smaller, but personal. It is grounded, and deep, and complex. It's about saving the people. Both of them are needed, because they are two sides of the same coin. And this season shows us that perfectly. Dean saves Sam in Swan Song, because Sam saved him in Point of No Return.
Elisia
2024-09-03 17:51:52 +0000 UTCI will forever be sad that Covid ruined the plans for the finale. With Ash enabling people to interact, to me episode 5x16 feels more fun and “alive” than the finale by a million. The missing party with Kansas and the whole cast of characters would have made the finale a little more bearable.
AdoptDontShopPets
2024-09-03 16:39:18 +0000 UTC@Kyra Sun Before the network swapped them around, as I mentioned in the earlier reaction post, the episodes were supposed to go in this order:- 5.14 Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid 5.15 My Bloody Valentine 5.16 Dark Side of the Moon I remembered reading a review/recap whereby the author began her review of episode 5.15 Dead Men Don’t Wear Plaid as follows: Okay, before we get started, one MAJOR issue will be gotten out of the way now. There is no continuity between this episode and “My Bloody Valentine.” The reason is because this was filmed as episode 5.14 and “My Bloody Valentine” was supposed to be episode 5.15. Then the network decided to come back from Winter Hellatus in January a week later, thus throwing the schedule all to hell. I mean, how strange would it have been to have seen a Valentine’s Day themed episode in late March? I think the network should have left well enough alone and stuck with the original schedule, but hey, I don’t get paid the big bucks to make that decision. My only request goes to Warner Brothers. When constructing the season five DVD, PLEASE switch these episodes back? Do the continuity junkies a favor? /end extract Source link: https://www.thewinchesterfamilybusiness.com/7175-recap-qdead-men-dont-wear-plaidq/ Recap – “Dead Men Don’t Wear Plaid” By: Alice Jester April 5, 2010 This *kinda* useless info got stuck in my brain but yeah, Dean's emotional continuity is the main arc here, and the swapped-around episode ruins that. As Shelley said at the 13.39 min mark, this episode works better after My Bloody Valentine than after Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid fighting zombies, because of that episode (MBV's) ending: Dean BEGS God's help. Which is a very big deal as this will lead him to eventually say yes to Michael. Especially when this episode further emphasized what praying to Dean meant: "... So prayer? The last hope of a desperate man."
rose mnor
2024-09-03 10:19:46 +0000 UTCIt was because the show was supposed to come back from that year 2010 winter's hiatus earlier but the network pushed their return later than planned. So My Bloody Valentine cannot aired in its originally slated space during Valentine's week. Further explanation is in my comment so as not to mess up your post here.
rose mnor
2024-09-03 10:13:00 +0000 UTCDean and Sam aren't soul mates! They don't share a heaven, Dean has to follow Cas's instructions to find Sam, like a shortcut to the cheat codes Ash is using - otherwise they would be in their very different happy memories. I think it's quite a persuasive argument that Ash and Pamela scene is part of the manipulation by Zachariah. There's something horrifying about the idea that you can't even die to escape the terrible fate that's been laid out for you – the angels will bring you back to life and insist you go through it. Walt and Roy come back in s12 as two of the hunters who help Sam bring down the British Men of Letters - I guess Dean and Sam had too much going on in the meantime to pursue them, and after a while it must have seemed trivial to take revenge on them.
Jay
2024-09-03 09:56:03 +0000 UTCSo I’m just wondering; how was it supposed to be viewed originally within these three episodes? Before network swapped them? Or what exactly happened does anyone know?
Kyra Sun
2024-09-03 06:54:52 +0000 UTC
