Supernatural - 5x13 "The Song Remains the Same" Rewatch
Added 2024-08-12 02:18:49 +0000 UTC
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Really interesting, thanks!
Jay
2024-08-13 21:36:18 +0000 UTCOn personal rewatch I'd skip Swapped Meat I think.
BexFangirl
2024-08-12 18:51:42 +0000 UTCi completely agree. Dean not saying yes to Michael didnt take anything away from the finale for me, or having Adam as Michael. It made it better. That final fight was always for Sam. The culmination of his hero’s journey, and the redemption he deserves. But Dean’s journey was to get to a point where he trusted Sam enough to let him go. To support his brother, and fight with him, not against him. Dean got his redemption from his part in season 4 by saying no to Michael, and letting Sam do what he had to, while also making sure he wasnt alone
Elisia
2024-08-12 17:38:23 +0000 UTCShelley - don't forget that Dean and Sam were initially meant to jump into the cage together by choice with Michael and Lucifer at the end of Swan Song. But because the show was renewed for S6, they had to create a different ending that still fit the season's plot. I don't think Dean was sidelined though. He was there to support Sam, and the dialog plus Jensen's delivery in a couple of those scenes still break me every time I watch it (I won't spoil it here). In doing so, Sam was able to overpower Lucifer long enough to defeat him. It was a huge turning point for the growth of Dean and Sam individually because they were using their free will to go separate ways. So when they were brought back together, it wasn't because of fate or destiny. It was their own choice to do so. ETA: I am a S5 and S3 girl myself so I get you. S2 and S4 have a tighter plot but the episodes in 3 and 5 are much better and more interesting to me because of the content. Also I am Sam leaning, so that probably has something to do with it.
Vel
2024-08-12 15:07:25 +0000 UTCJust commenting on the Sam Interrupted ending while my thoughts are fresh. I personally don't think that the show was trying to tell us anything important in the way of "stuffing it down". I've always interpreted this episode to reveal that Sam still has a lot of anger, and they were both struggling with the weight of everything that has happened thus far. Sam and Dean both have very different ways of processing their feelings, and neither is right or wrong. They are just different. However, you said something important - that Sam had gone after the Dr. because Dean had told him that's who the monster was. Dean ended up being wrong through no fault of his own, but Sam still made that choice because Dean said so. Just like when he made the choices he did in S4 because of Ruby that turned out to be wrong. So the end, for me, highlights the difference in how they process things and the decision that Sam has to make. Listen to Dean, or become his own man and deal with things himself. Much of S5 is that journey for Sam, so this episode leans into him having to grow up and listen to his own inner voice instead of following someone else's.
Vel
2024-08-12 11:19:43 +0000 UTCThat’s very interesting I did not know that!
Kyra Sun
2024-08-12 08:40:39 +0000 UTCSo I don't know whether you will see this message in time, Shelley, but if you do, for the following episodes, 5.14 My Bloody Valentine 5.15 Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid 5.16 Dark Side of the Moon the original sequence was supposed to be as follows (according to the script episode numbers) 5.14 Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid 5.15 My Bloody Valentine (sorry Superwiki doesn't have this script but the episode number can be gleaned by guesswork) 5.16 Dark Side of the Moon At the end of My Bloody Valentine, Dean is in a despairing situation (DEAN helplessly looking up: Please... I can't... I need some help. Please? ...) when confronted by Sam's need to detox again after consuming demons' blood. In the whole episode, Dean felt "empty" and in an unwinnable situation, just going through with the motion, which was exacerbated by the presence of Famine. Given this premise of an arc as an emotional continuity, we will then go into Dark Side of the Moon, whereby he is upset when confronted with Sam's heaven - his happy memories - which doesn't include Dean (basically this episode addresses their psyches front and center) ... and TFW eventually finds out that God doesn't care about humans and the impending apocalypse. We then proceed with 99 Problems, the episode that finally pushed Dean into saying "yes" to Michael in Point of No Return. My point is that Dead Man Don't Wear Plaid - a zombie episode - its placement in the middle of these 3 episodes and its vibe, is jarringly out of place in maintaining and/or dealing with Dean's emotional continuity throughout his "saying yes to Michael" arc, imo. Dead Man doesn't address their emotional continuity, for either Dean's or Sam's. So my suggestion is - maybe you might want to do your rewatch with the sequence that was originally intended, rather than the sequence when it originally aired if you wish. Having said that, it is not that big of a deal if you don't want to. I'm just saying. The network aired My Bloody Valentine earlier to coincide with Valentine's Day/week, whose air date was Feb 11, 2010, and more than a month later Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid aired on Mar 25, 2010. link source for: 5.15 Dead Man Don't Wear Plaid script, originally as episode #5.14 https://drive.google.com/file/d/16nVVqJirYJlUcbHMQ9qyucHffV7FjGyz/view
rose mnor
2024-08-12 06:36:45 +0000 UTC
